MOMMENTARY thinks I'm unsound on babies in church. Maybe I've been going to churches where the kids are louder. I don't object to "children just standing up and sitting down, or turning around, or playing with the hymnals." It's noise that's unacceptable - banging the hymnal repeatedly on the pew while Mommy looks bewildered and fails to interfere; running up and down the aisles, giggling wildly and shrieking; or repeated screaming (one holler is ok, five in one service is the limit, repeated shouting for more than one minute straight, and the kid must be removed from the church.) I don't think this is unreasonable in the least. Maybe I haven't made clear what kind of behavior I'm discussing.